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∂16-APR-75  1017		ESS,JMC
 Please see a message from Newell to me and my reply in outgo.msg[ess,jmc].
 Z
␈ CC: les;ccg;tw


∂06-JUL-75  0752		ESS,JMC
 I have returned from Japan.  What is the current ARPA contemplation
 of AI?
␈ CC: licklider%ISI


∂06-JUL-75  1351		ESS,JMC
 How are we doing with EPRI?
␈ CC: jh


∂07-JUL-75  0055		ESS,JMC
 Please phone on Wednesday if the situation hasn't changed, because I
␈ CC: msw


∂07-JUL-75  0056		ESS,JMC
 Please phone Wednesday if the situation hasn't changed, because I need to
 talk to people.  If there is new info, phone as soon as possible.
␈ CC: msw


∂08-JUL-75  1454		ESS,JMC AT TTY72   1454
 I would prefer tomorrow because of extreme lack of sleep today.
␈ CC: ajt


∂09-JUL-75  1011		ESS,JMC
 	I have just returned from Japan.  Where does AI now stand with
 ARPA?  Are any collective efforts in the works? - John McCarthy
␈ CC: newell%CMUA


∂09-JUL-75  1546		ESS,JMC
 What is your opinion of Samet thesis?
␈ CC: dek


∂11-JUL-75  1154		ESS,JMC
 Yes, please.
␈ CC: weiner%RAND


∂11-JUL-75  1554		ESS,JMC
 please decorate ashley.le1
␈ CC: paw


∂11-JUL-75  1726		ESS,JMC
 Please decorate andrei.le6
␈ CC: paw


∂11-JUL-75  1848		ESS,JMC
 I see that PARRY is still alive.  Why can't we kill it now?
␈ CC: les


∂13-JUL-75  1316		ESS,JMC
 I suggest the following improvement in ns:  include stories previously seen in
 the story list but after the new ones and with a message in between.  The original
 message would then be "5 stories found including 3 previously seen."  I always
 forget how to see a story again, and this proposal would eliminate the need
 for a command.
␈ CC: me


∂13-JUL-75  1441		ESS,JMC
 Please order for me - I'll give you a check -
 "Light water reactor safety" @ $6.00 from 
 Reprint Division
 American Institute of Physics
 335 East 45th St.
 New York, N.Y. 10017
␈ CC: paw


∂13-JUL-75  1728		ESS,JMC
 Please decorate meltze.le2.
␈ CC: paw


∂13-JUL-75  1739		ESS,JMC
 Please get me a xerox of
 A complete mechanization of omega order type theory.
 in Proc ACM 1972 annual conference.  pp82-92
␈ CC: paw


∂14-JUL-75  2234		ESS,JMC
 Call Glassmire 503 753-2527
␈ CC: jmc


∂14-JUL-75  2316		ESS,JMC
 Please legitimize VEW (Vera Watson) as a local guest.
␈ CC: les


∂14-JUL-75  2331		ESS,JMC
 I think dial doesn't work.  It dials the number but never says ready.
␈ CC: ted


∂15-JUL-75  0155		ESS,JMC
 Please decorate engine.le1.  Font 3 is called SUP.
␈ CC: paw


∂15-JUL-75  1454		ESS,JMC
 What is your phone number - John McCarthy
␈ CC: amarel%ISI


∂15-JUL-75  1741		ESS,JMC
 Subject: Report on computing resources
 From: John McCarthy
 
 	I am sorry to have to say this so late in the game, but I cannot put
 my name on anything like the present draft report, because I disagree with the
 following points:
 
 	1. The conclusion that computing in the future will be based
 on personal computers.  Maybe it will, but at present I see only some
 group wishful thinking.
 
 	2. When we met in March, I thought we agreed that having many terminals
 was more important than having super-terminals.  There is no trace of this
 conclusion in the present report.
 
 	3. Not being a TENEX fan myself, I see the complaint about the KI-10
 as being a translated complaint about TENEX.  Second I am skeptical of the
 statement that D.E.C. has decided to make TENEX their main vehicle, and
 I can't see how it could be in their interest to do so, since TENEX is
 not better than their own system in many respects, and ARPA makes up only
 a fraction of their market.  It seems to me that there is and has been much
 wishful thinking about D.E.C. becoming wedded to TENEX.
 
 	4. The draft report doesn't discuss the concrete situation of even
 one ARPA site.  Therefore, it is not clear how its generalities would
 interact with what the sites plan to do or ARPA's plans for support of
 research.
 
 	5. Besides all this, I think that a number of issues have not been
 dealt with that are important to ARPA computation over the next years -
 in what areas is compatibility essential - displays, printing above the
 teletype level, how does the ARPA community fit in with the larger
 time-sharing community, and many others which I have not even had time
 to formulate.  Therefore, I would suggest meeting some more and going back
 to the drawing board on the report.
 
 
 ADDENDUM From Les Earnest
 
 I too find the report too far from my beliefs to sign.
 
 1.  The section on "personal computing" is still off the mark.  It
 recommends the development of a cheap PDP-10 that runs Tenex, which
 makes about as much sense as developing an electronic calculator that
 displays its output by positioning abacus beads. 
 
 2.  The assertion that these computers ought to have local file
 storage is apparently not supported by any studies of
 cost/performance tradeoffs and is probably wrong at least for the
 forseeable future. 
 
 3.  The recommended network file/archive system won't work with
 current ARPAnet bandwidths, yet there is no discussion in the report
 of the need for substantially greater capacity.
 
 4.  A prerequisite for efficient exchange of files among network users
 is a file format description language.  So far, we don't even have a
 good example of one, let alone a standard, yet the report says
 nothing about this need. 
 
 Overall, the report presupposes that all prior developments in the
 ARPA community are on exactly the right track and does not examine
 shortcomings or alternatives in sufficient depth. 
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∂18-JUL-75  1452		ESS,JMC
 Your message with Fredkin phone got through.  Thanks.
␈ CC: msw


∂20-JUL-75  1702		ESS,JMC
 Vera Watson and I would like to invite you and your wife to dinner
 at my house, 846 Lathrop Drive, at 7:30 pm on Thursday.
␈ CC: als


∂20-JUL-75  2155		ESS,JMC
 You are welcome at the Lab though we don't have a job for you, but you can't
 live here past August 24, and it would be best if you came back after July 26.
␈ CC: sgk


∂21-JUL-75  0222		ESS,JMC
 I lost patience, and Richard is doing them.
␈ CC: nxl


∂21-JUL-75  1505		ESS,JMC
 Jerry Feldman, according to Ganapathy KIC, wants to rent a car for
 the month of August.  Your blue one is no longer used, since Susie
 is gone.  I gave her the Mazda and got a newer 1973 RX2 for $1650
 from a private party.  Feldman is JAF.
␈ CC: wd


∂23-JUL-75  1010		ESS,JMC
 Dinner is targetted for 7pm, but you are welcome earlier.
␈ CC: feigenbaum%SUMEX-AIM


∂24-JUL-75  1143		ESS,JMC
 Pat Hayes and Max Clowes will sign.  Max proposed what he considers a
 change in wording that makes the letter "less coercive".
 "Therefore, we have agreed" → "We are agreed"
 "will have to be a public" → "will be a public"
 "the need for a public protest" → "this public protest".
 I have no opinion on whether this is a softening, and I have
 incorporated the changes in the draft and will send them unless
 there is a protest from M.I.T.  My motive is solely to accomodate
 Max, so as to preserve our unanimity for Tblisi where it may
 be necessary.
 	What is the state of your communication with Shirai.
 ?
␈ CC: phw%MIT-AI


∂26-JUL-75  1659		ESS,JMC
 Gary Gere, tymshare 967-8672 called, please call.
␈ CC: sgk


∂29-JUL-75  0132		ESS,JMC
 	The probability that we will be able to invite you to move here is
 low.  Frankly, while I somewhat favor the idea, I don't seem to be strongly
 enough motivated to do the necessary politicking, the results of which are
 uncertain.  I guess I think you had better take the M.I.T. offer.
␈ CC: msw


∂29-JUL-75  1106		ESS,JMC
 I have received a letter from Prof. J. Gelfand identifying himself as the
 Soviet co-chairman of the panel on "Mathematics, cybernetics, and AI" and
 who says "... We believe that the best way to achieve this is to find
 persons who can really say something during 10-15 minutes. ..."  This
 suggests that from his point of view, the membership of the Soviet part
 of the panel is still undecided.  Therefore, I need to know what you
 meant in your telegram to me in Japan when you said, "Lerner problem
 settled if you will agree to be co-chairman ...".  Please telephone.
␈ CC: phw%MIT-AI


∂29-JUL-75  1844		ESS,JMC
 Please decorate lickli.le6[let,jmc].
␈ CC: paw


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