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∂16-APR-75 1017 ESS,JMC
Please see a message from Newell to me and my reply in outgo.msg[ess,jmc].
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␈ CC: les;ccg;tw
∂06-JUL-75 0752 ESS,JMC
I have returned from Japan. What is the current ARPA contemplation
of AI?
␈ CC: licklider%ISI
∂06-JUL-75 1351 ESS,JMC
How are we doing with EPRI?
␈ CC: jh
∂07-JUL-75 0055 ESS,JMC
Please phone on Wednesday if the situation hasn't changed, because I
␈ CC: msw
∂07-JUL-75 0056 ESS,JMC
Please phone Wednesday if the situation hasn't changed, because I need to
talk to people. If there is new info, phone as soon as possible.
␈ CC: msw
∂08-JUL-75 1454 ESS,JMC AT TTY72 1454
I would prefer tomorrow because of extreme lack of sleep today.
␈ CC: ajt
∂09-JUL-75 1011 ESS,JMC
I have just returned from Japan. Where does AI now stand with
ARPA? Are any collective efforts in the works? - John McCarthy
␈ CC: newell%CMUA
∂09-JUL-75 1546 ESS,JMC
What is your opinion of Samet thesis?
␈ CC: dek
∂11-JUL-75 1154 ESS,JMC
Yes, please.
␈ CC: weiner%RAND
∂11-JUL-75 1554 ESS,JMC
please decorate ashley.le1
␈ CC: paw
∂11-JUL-75 1726 ESS,JMC
Please decorate andrei.le6
␈ CC: paw
∂11-JUL-75 1848 ESS,JMC
I see that PARRY is still alive. Why can't we kill it now?
␈ CC: les
∂13-JUL-75 1316 ESS,JMC
I suggest the following improvement in ns: include stories previously seen in
the story list but after the new ones and with a message in between. The original
message would then be "5 stories found including 3 previously seen." I always
forget how to see a story again, and this proposal would eliminate the need
for a command.
␈ CC: me
∂13-JUL-75 1441 ESS,JMC
Please order for me - I'll give you a check -
"Light water reactor safety" @ $6.00 from
Reprint Division
American Institute of Physics
335 East 45th St.
New York, N.Y. 10017
␈ CC: paw
∂13-JUL-75 1728 ESS,JMC
Please decorate meltze.le2.
␈ CC: paw
∂13-JUL-75 1739 ESS,JMC
Please get me a xerox of
A complete mechanization of omega order type theory.
in Proc ACM 1972 annual conference. pp82-92
␈ CC: paw
∂14-JUL-75 2234 ESS,JMC
Call Glassmire 503 753-2527
␈ CC: jmc
∂14-JUL-75 2316 ESS,JMC
Please legitimize VEW (Vera Watson) as a local guest.
␈ CC: les
∂14-JUL-75 2331 ESS,JMC
I think dial doesn't work. It dials the number but never says ready.
␈ CC: ted
∂15-JUL-75 0155 ESS,JMC
Please decorate engine.le1. Font 3 is called SUP.
␈ CC: paw
∂15-JUL-75 1454 ESS,JMC
What is your phone number - John McCarthy
␈ CC: amarel%ISI
∂15-JUL-75 1741 ESS,JMC
Subject: Report on computing resources
From: John McCarthy
I am sorry to have to say this so late in the game, but I cannot put
my name on anything like the present draft report, because I disagree with the
following points:
1. The conclusion that computing in the future will be based
on personal computers. Maybe it will, but at present I see only some
group wishful thinking.
2. When we met in March, I thought we agreed that having many terminals
was more important than having super-terminals. There is no trace of this
conclusion in the present report.
3. Not being a TENEX fan myself, I see the complaint about the KI-10
as being a translated complaint about TENEX. Second I am skeptical of the
statement that D.E.C. has decided to make TENEX their main vehicle, and
I can't see how it could be in their interest to do so, since TENEX is
not better than their own system in many respects, and ARPA makes up only
a fraction of their market. It seems to me that there is and has been much
wishful thinking about D.E.C. becoming wedded to TENEX.
4. The draft report doesn't discuss the concrete situation of even
one ARPA site. Therefore, it is not clear how its generalities would
interact with what the sites plan to do or ARPA's plans for support of
research.
5. Besides all this, I think that a number of issues have not been
dealt with that are important to ARPA computation over the next years -
in what areas is compatibility essential - displays, printing above the
teletype level, how does the ARPA community fit in with the larger
time-sharing community, and many others which I have not even had time
to formulate. Therefore, I would suggest meeting some more and going back
to the drawing board on the report.
ADDENDUM From Les Earnest
I too find the report too far from my beliefs to sign.
1. The section on "personal computing" is still off the mark. It
recommends the development of a cheap PDP-10 that runs Tenex, which
makes about as much sense as developing an electronic calculator that
displays its output by positioning abacus beads.
2. The assertion that these computers ought to have local file
storage is apparently not supported by any studies of
cost/performance tradeoffs and is probably wrong at least for the
forseeable future.
3. The recommended network file/archive system won't work with
current ARPAnet bandwidths, yet there is no discussion in the report
of the need for substantially greater capacity.
4. A prerequisite for efficient exchange of files among network users
is a file format description language. So far, we don't even have a
good example of one, let alone a standard, yet the report says
nothing about this need.
Overall, the report presupposes that all prior developments in the
ARPA community are on exactly the right track and does not examine
shortcomings or alternatives in sufficient depth.
␈ CC: @WEINER.GRP:Corby%MIT-MULTICS,Markowitz%MIT-MULTICS,pirtle%I4-TENEX,stockham%UTAH,woods%BBN,,weiner%RAND-RCC,sutherland%RAND-RCC
∂18-JUL-75 1452 ESS,JMC
Your message with Fredkin phone got through. Thanks.
␈ CC: msw
∂20-JUL-75 1702 ESS,JMC
Vera Watson and I would like to invite you and your wife to dinner
at my house, 846 Lathrop Drive, at 7:30 pm on Thursday.
␈ CC: als
∂20-JUL-75 2155 ESS,JMC
You are welcome at the Lab though we don't have a job for you, but you can't
live here past August 24, and it would be best if you came back after July 26.
␈ CC: sgk
∂21-JUL-75 0222 ESS,JMC
I lost patience, and Richard is doing them.
␈ CC: nxl
∂21-JUL-75 1505 ESS,JMC
Jerry Feldman, according to Ganapathy KIC, wants to rent a car for
the month of August. Your blue one is no longer used, since Susie
is gone. I gave her the Mazda and got a newer 1973 RX2 for $1650
from a private party. Feldman is JAF.
␈ CC: wd
∂23-JUL-75 1010 ESS,JMC
Dinner is targetted for 7pm, but you are welcome earlier.
␈ CC: feigenbaum%SUMEX-AIM
∂24-JUL-75 1143 ESS,JMC
Pat Hayes and Max Clowes will sign. Max proposed what he considers a
change in wording that makes the letter "less coercive".
"Therefore, we have agreed" → "We are agreed"
"will have to be a public" → "will be a public"
"the need for a public protest" → "this public protest".
I have no opinion on whether this is a softening, and I have
incorporated the changes in the draft and will send them unless
there is a protest from M.I.T. My motive is solely to accomodate
Max, so as to preserve our unanimity for Tblisi where it may
be necessary.
What is the state of your communication with Shirai.
?
␈ CC: phw%MIT-AI
∂26-JUL-75 1659 ESS,JMC
Gary Gere, tymshare 967-8672 called, please call.
␈ CC: sgk
∂29-JUL-75 0132 ESS,JMC
The probability that we will be able to invite you to move here is
low. Frankly, while I somewhat favor the idea, I don't seem to be strongly
enough motivated to do the necessary politicking, the results of which are
uncertain. I guess I think you had better take the M.I.T. offer.
␈ CC: msw
∂29-JUL-75 1106 ESS,JMC
I have received a letter from Prof. J. Gelfand identifying himself as the
Soviet co-chairman of the panel on "Mathematics, cybernetics, and AI" and
who says "... We believe that the best way to achieve this is to find
persons who can really say something during 10-15 minutes. ..." This
suggests that from his point of view, the membership of the Soviet part
of the panel is still undecided. Therefore, I need to know what you
meant in your telegram to me in Japan when you said, "Lerner problem
settled if you will agree to be co-chairman ...". Please telephone.
␈ CC: phw%MIT-AI
∂29-JUL-75 1844 ESS,JMC
Please decorate lickli.le6[let,jmc].
␈ CC: paw
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